But anybody else who was part of that conversation should still have those texts on their device. So when I wipe my device, when I delete my entire conversation, it may disappear from my phone. One possibility is going to other people in the conversation. LUEHR: I think there's a likelihood we'll see a few messages come out. SHAPIRO: I realize there are a lot of unknowns here, but what do you think the likelihood is that these messages can be retrieved somehow? I'm sure what the folks are doing now at Homeland Security and at the Secret Service is they're scrambling to see are there any other locations where these texts could be located? If the message or the texts or the entire phone has been wiped, that's a bigger problem because in that case, the underlying content has actually been zeroed out or overwritten, and therefore it's no longer available, at least on that device. And there are common forensics tools used by both law enforcement and civil investigators to recover them. If you simply delete a text, they are still available. Is that deleting or wiping? Do you know what happened there? So if the Secret Service says the texts were erased in a - system migration was their term. You might not be able to find the chapter page where that section of the book begins, but the story is still intact. So think of it like a table of contents that's been ripped out of a book. So when you delete a message as a normal consumer, the message is actually not gone. LUEHR: There's a big difference between deleting and wiping a message, and I think that's getting lost in the context here. To start with, what typically happens when somebody deletes a text message? So walk us through what that might involve. SHAPIRO: So leaders of the House Select Committee investigating the insurrection put out a statement yesterday saying every effort must be made to retrieve the lost data. So what would it take to retrieve them? Paul Luehr is a former federal cybercrime prosecutor at the Department of Justice, and he's done these kinds of investigations before. The Secret Service says text messages from that day were deleted and may not be recoverable. Agents were also driving the president that day when, according to sworn testimony, Donald Trump physically tried to redirect the car to the Capitol. On January 6, Secret Service agents were protecting Vice President Pence from an armed mob that wanted to kill him.
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